Where Can I Find A Rs4 Oem Block
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12-27-2012x:58 AM #1
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What'southward the cheapest way to get an RS4 engine?
What'due south the cheapest and well-nigh efficient way to get an RS4 engine and how much should I anticipate spending? I thought nigh calling my local audi dealer to see if they could become me one from the factory but the concluding time I tried to get Euro parts they said they couldn't go annihilation that was Euro spec. Any good input would be highly appreciated!
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12-27-201211:07 AM #2
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Why? Built lesser terminate and 2.viii heads would probably be a lot cheaper/easier.
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12-27-201211:x AM #3
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Anything is possible with the right connections and very deep pockets, however, why non merely go a U.s. spec S4 motor than upgrade to RS4 specs.... Anything Euro will be then expensive as to exist little returns on expense.
With the available know-how stateside, I would think that you can equal any Euro spec RS4 motor while still retaining US restrictions..... That is unless you lot are planning on driving only on a racetrack or rogue mode.
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12-27-2012eleven:13 AM #iv
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New complete RS4 engine from Federal republic of germany was xviii 000 euros few months agone.
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12-27-2012eleven:15 AM #5
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Originally Posted past bgzs4 
Why? Built bottom cease and 2.8 heads would probably exist a lot cheaper/easier.
The blocks are dissimilar. That'south why.
b5 s4 built lesser stg3 on E - Sold
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12-27-2012eleven:19 AM #six
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Originally Posted by rtl5009 The blocks are different. That'south why.
Exactly
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12-27-2012xi:21 AM #vii
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I wonder if you tin reinforce the U.s. spec S4 block to make it withstand higher torque and rpms better.
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12-27-201211:21 AM #8
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18000 euros is ridiculous!
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12-27-201211:28 AM #nine
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Originally Posted by rtl5009 The blocks are different. That's why.
Bingo. If you are seriously interested in a RS4 block, so contact Roger over on QW, he is really the but person that will be able to become you one for a expert price and not rape you on shipping/importing.
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12-27-201211:42 AM #10
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Does your build call for power the s4 block can't handle? The definitely hold around 500, some survive 700+ with a good tune. What are your plans?
Genuinely curious.
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12-27-201211:52 AM #11
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Originally Posted past ddillenger Does your build call for power the s4 cake tin can't handle? The definitely hold around 500, some survive 700+ with a good tune. What are your plans?
Genuinely curious.
I've currently got rs6's that were on my car for only a few months then blew. Then now I'm looking into either rebuilding them or putting on something a bit bigger. I like the 770'southward simply it seems like the gt's with tubular manifolds seem to pull harder on the top end. Just if I go that road I'm worried nearly the manifolds cracking. If I decide to scrap the rs6'south I'm going to exercise an "all out" build and build everything as big as I can while having it be as reliable every bit possible. I'd also like to see a usable powerband. I've got some interest in the gtx lineup but I'd similar to meet what some other more than eager peoples results are before I would get that road.
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12-27-201211:55 AM #12
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O ya, and EPL is doing my tuning. I never even got a final revision on my rs6 melody so they yet owe me a tune. I've got a lot of respect for what they tin practise with these engines and would similar to take them turn whatsoever my last selection ends upwards being into a monster!
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12-27-201211:55 AM #thirteen
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Search B5 RS4 breaking or billow
I run across role outs all the time
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12-27-201212:11 PM #fourteen
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Originally Posted by ColoradoRS4 I wonder if you can reinforce the United states spec S4 block to make it withstand college torque and rpms improve.
What y'all demand is a cake girdle. They are pretty common on other platforms where the blocks crack with college ability. S4 blocks have cracked at 450awtq and some last to 700 awtq. In that location are cars putting down over 700 awhp on stock blocks with blocks. Its really tough to say with such limited selection of cars making a lot of power if you actually need a girdle or not. I recollect guruman used a girdle...
MRC tuning has a 3 liter block listed with a girdle:
3 Litre Stroker Engines
Complete Short Block, with JE Pistons, Eurospec Rods, Girdle, deck Cooling.
From �4950@ http://www.mrctuning.com/index.php?o...d=37&Itemid=59
difference between s4 and rs4 block:
RIP Daz, you will be missed.
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12-27-201212:22 PM #xv
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Here is the kit from eurospec:
http://www.eurospecsport.com/product...ng-girdles.htm
If you lot spend a lot of coin on a congenital engine, $650 for a little extra protection and insurance isn't a terrible thought.
RIP Daz, you will exist missed.
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12-27-201212:23 PM #sixteen
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You learn something new everyday.
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12-27-201212:28 PM #17
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Hither is a very similar looking one from USRallyTeam, they utilise the same pics, so its probably the aforementioned i:
http://www.usrallyteam.com/index.php...oducts_id=1718
RIP Daz, you volition be missed.
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12-27-201212:28 PM #eighteen
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Originally Posted by Meow $650 is for RS4
It'due south only $595 ;-)
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12-27-201212:30 PM #19
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Though some people feel you lot volition crack principal caps earlier needing a girdle...
http://www.audizine.com/forum/showth...Cylinder-heads
RIP Daz, you will be missed.
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12-27-201212:38 PM #20
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Honestly you would be better off buying a girdled iii liter short block...
http://world wide web.audizine.com/forum/showth...UCTS-ADDED-***
3013CC Curt Block - Consummate
Complete Brusque block ready to go for those who practice not want to source individual components.
Curt cake includes:
(i) - Make new OEM S4 cake
(1) - Brand new 92.8mm Audi B6 3.0 Crankshaft
(half dozen) - 034 Motorsport 154mm/21mm Forged Connecting Rods
(6) - 83mm bore / 21mm wrist pin 8.5:1 JE Pistons
(i) - 034 Motorsport AAA VR6 Antifriction bearings
(1) - Crankshaft Girdle + ARP Principal Studs$7689.99 + Aircraft
A bit pricey only that shit wont pause...
RIP Daz, yous will be missed.
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12-27-201201:08 PM #21
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I didn't see the girdle for sale on their website. Are they the ones manufacturing the girdles?
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12-27-201202:06 PM #22
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Y'all are all missing the point that the girdle does non reinforce the area that actually fails. A girdle is a huge waste of money and effort on these engines and that belief has been stated by basically every reputable large power 2.7t tuner who isn't trying to sell you some junk that makes your oil pan and pump fit similar crap and leak.
On engines with 2 commodities mains and no cantankerous bolting the girdle is effective to fight cadre deformation. The 2.7t doesn't have deformation problems that a girdle can set unless it was something added up inside the cake past the windows pictured in a higher place. The failure indicate is upwards in the block above the mains. Even then that failure has happened to very few people.
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12-27-201202:xvi PM #23
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Originally Posted by rtl5009 The blocks are different. That's why.
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12-27-201202:18 PM #24
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When u use a girdle how close does the upper pan come to the subframe? Information technology's already tight. Expert luck getting that not to leak....
b5 s4 congenital bottom stg3 on Eastward - Sold
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12-27-201202:30 PM #25
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Originally Posted past rtl5009 When u use a girdle how close does the upper pan come up to the subframe? It's already tight. Good luck getting that not to leak....
I don't think my oil drain setup would work with a girdle... lol
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12-27-201202:36 PM #26
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A girdle volition add together strength to the bottom end of the block.
Volition it prevent the block from failing in a higher place the mains? It might not preclude it, but it will probably move the failure point loftier plenty to not be a trouble.
If you add together forcefulness to the mains, and requite the mains more strength in the vertical airplane, which is the direction of the forces, then the block volition exist less probable to fail.Some of my tractor pull customers all run girdles. Some of them are now fifty-fifty tying the girdle to the caput likewise equally the mains! I approximate you have to do that when running 200psi+ of boost ;-)
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12-27-201203:10 PM #27
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I have heard of big whp breaking in the exact same spot with a girdle. I skipped the girdle. I'll come across how information technology goes. My ultimate goal in a s4 is over 1k whp one day and the 2.7 block won't exercise information technology regardless of mods. I might but tune mine to 6-650 whp and let it be. And then build i of my other audis with a vr6 of some multifariousness.
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12-27-201204:52 PM #28
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Originally Posted by rockcandy I accept heard of big whp breaking in the exact same spot with a girdle. I skipped the girdle. I'll see how it goes. My ultimate goal in a s4 is over 1k whp ane 24-hour interval and the 2.seven block won't practise it regardless of mods. I might just tune mine to 6-650 whp and allow it be. Then build one of my other audis with a vr6 of some variety.
Didn't 034'south gti rs dyno at effectually 1k horsepower? Never say never!
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12-27-201204:57 PM #29
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Regarding the block declining... Can you weld any types of reinforcement in?
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12-27-201205:04 PM #30
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Originally Posted by ColoradoRS4 Didn't 034'south gti rs dyno at around 1k horsepower? Never say never!
They made over 700 at the 2011 Eurotuner Grand Prix Event Review, I cant seem to find any dyno numbers, videos or graphs later on that other than numbers on their website for cams.
RIP Daz, you will exist missed.
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12-27-201205:16 PM #31
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Originally Posted by ColoradoRS4 Regarding the block failing... Can you lot weld any types of reinforcement in?
Yep, it has been done. Plugs are machined, then the windows are machined, block gets heated, plugs pressed in and then welded. Much cheaper than an RS4 block. I heard a rumor that someone even filled theirs with JB weld, not kidding.
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12-27-201205:28 PM #32
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Filling is commonplace in loftier hp applications. Non with jbweld, merely there are compounds specifically for that purpose. Looks like it would piece of work well because where the rs4 cake is beefed up is in effect filling the lower function of the cooling jacket.
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12-27-201205:38 PM #33
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Originally Posted by rockcandy I take heard of large whp breaking in the verbal same spot with a girdle. I skipped the girdle. I'll see how it goes. My ultimate goal in a s4 is over 1k whp i twenty-four hour period and the 2.7 block won't exercise it regardless of mods. I might simply tune mine to 6-650 whp and permit it be. And so build one of my other audis with a vr6 of some variety.
Who and what power level?
RIP Daz, you lot will be missed.
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12-27-201205:44 PM #34
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I tin connect you with someone who has a complete AZR RS4 motor and gearbox. 80k on motor. PM me if your interested. Its in the Uk just he volition crate it for shipping. I paid almost $800 to have my widebody and interior shipped from the Uk to NYC...
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12-27-201207:42 PM #35
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check out world wide web.audisrs.com for sale department for 18-carat rs4 parts.
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12-28-201207:43 AM #36
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my cost me:
$740 tickiet 2 mode frankfurt/newark
hire car 250 euro to junkyard trip
650 euro rs4 engine
aircraft to united states of america by continental air cargo $430
the states costum fee aroud $120
and 3 weeks with fun unknow $$$$$
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12-28-201207:47 AM #37
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I'll be dorsum habitation in the UK for a week or two quondam over the next four to eight weeks... Maybe I'll go chase me down some RS4 blocks ;-)
Originally Posted by Jibby Yes, information technology has been done. Plugs are machined, then the windows are machined, block gets heated, plugs pressed in and and then welded. Much cheaper than an RS4 block. I heard a rumor that someone even filled theirs with JB weld, not kidding.
Just might have to exercise this with my built cake I'll be building... since I'll be CNC'ing everything else... why not the bottom of the block likewise ;-)
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12-28-201207:59 AM #38
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Originally Posted past britishturbo I'll exist back home in the UK for a week or 2 sometime over the side by side four to 8 weeks... Peradventure I'll become hunt me down some RS4 blocks ;-)
But might accept to do this with my congenital block I'll exist edifice... since I'll be CNC'ing everything else... why not the lesser of the block too ;-)
from uk to federal republic of germany :) for hunting :)
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12-28-201208:22 AM #39
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Originally Posted past xhackerekx from uk to federal republic of germany :) for hunting :)
Haha yous know I've always wanted to visit Germany... ;-)
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12-28-201212:09 PM #forty
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AMEN! Good that some one actually knows what a girdle does. :)
People use Guruman every bit an example, merely from what I heard he too had issues that could exist indirectly related to the use of a girdle.It'due south really a waste of coin on the two.7t, simply ppl seem to take too much money to spend, which is fine, simply sometimes it'due south just totally unnecessary, similar in the example of using a girdle or not.
Originally Posted by Jibby You are all missing the bespeak that the girdle does non reinforce the surface area that really fails. A girdle is a huge waste of money and effort on these engines and that belief has been stated by basically every reputable big power 2.7t tuner who isn't trying to sell you some junk that makes your oil pan and pump fit like crap and leak.
On engines with 2 commodities mains and no cross bolting the girdle is effective to fight core deformation. The 2.7t doesn't take deformation issues that a girdle can fix unless information technology was something added up inside the cake past the windows pictured to a higher place. The failure point is upwardly in the block above the mains. Fifty-fifty then that failure has happened to very few people.
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